Archive for October, 2003

Clinton’s plan to eliminate al Qaeda

In my continuing series of evidence I’m sending to my more conservative friends and family to prove points I’ve made in recent discussions we’ve had, I’m posting my rebuttal to the usual “Clinton was soft on terrorism” line.

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For the following, I have to give a lot of credit to Al Franken’s new book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right. If you’re arguing with someone who pulls out a lot of anti-left sound bites they heard on some of these right-wing talk shows (like on Fox News), then its pretty easy to go into the book and pick up those exact stories. Since every chapter has pretty extensive references, it’s easy to get back to the original source (which I prefer) and make sure there’s no spin going on (pun intended).

Now, I wouldn’t necessarily send my Republican friends a copy of this book and urge them to read it, as those same right-wing commentators have attacked Al Franken to the point where many people will stop listening as soon as you mention his name.

Really, I find the fact that many smart smart people I know are falling for a lot of this stuff hook-line-and-sinker very disturbing. When my Dad said, “In 1996 a foreign government offered bin Laden to Clinton and he wouldn’t take him,” something triggered in my memory. Turns out that in his book, Franken has an entire sidebar about this quote. Some of what I say below is paraphrased from him, some of it supports other claims I’ve been making about the evolution of technology in our military under Clinton. In any case, I found it all very interesting, I hope you do as well.


I did some research this morning on what you said yesterday about a foreign government offering bin Laden to Clinton and the administration turning down the opportunity. This was suprising to me, knowing how much the Clinton administration was working to eliminate al Qaeda’s threat. I was going to ask what your source was on that, but with a quick search I found this quote from Sean Hannity’s Let Freedom Ring:

It’s truly astonishing. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and their liberal allies on Capitol Hill were offered Osama bin Laden by the Sudanese government, and they turned the offer down. They could have taken him into custody and begun unraveling his terrorist network almost six years ago. But they didn’t. And now more than three thousand innocent Americans have paid with blood.

Hannity ranks up there with Bill O’Reilly and Ann Coulter for making unfounded claims, so I did some searching for people who’ve researched the history on this.

The best summary I’ve heard of the whole story comes from a front page Washington Post article on Oct 3, 2001, “U.S. Was Foiled Multiple Times in Efforts To Capture Bin Laden or Have Him Killed”

“U.S. Was Foiled Multiple Times in Efforts To Capture Bin Laden or Have Him Killed”

It looks like that while the administration knew he was leaving Sudan, the Saudi’s blocked the effort due to fear of a fundamentalist backlash. The idea was floated on our side to kill him anyways while in transit, but at this point (1996) there wasn’t enough evidence:

Resigned to bin Laden’s departure from Sudan, some officials raised the possibility of shooting down his chartered aircraft, but the idea was never seriously pursued because bin Laden had not been linked to a dead American, and it was inconceivable that Clinton would sign the “lethal finding” necessary under the circumstances.

As al Qaeda hit more targets, and evidence built, Clinton did take action to try and take him out. Specifically, after the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa, Clinton issued a presedential directive authorizing the assassination of bin Laden. There’s a lot more on this in the extensive article “Broad Effort Launched After ‘98 Attacks” at:

“Broad Effort Launched After ‘98 Attacks”

It has a section on the first deployment of the Predator in the Balkans and then later in Afghanistan, as I had mentioned yesterday:

The gossamer-weight unmanned aircraft, with a 49-foot wingspan, has the horsepower and top speed of a motorbike. But in the Balkans, where it got its first use in 1996, the drone had proved immensely valuable.

The trial period ended when a Predator crash-landed. But it had spurred something new. In their final months in office, the Clinton national security team launched a controversial effort to arm the Predator with a Hellfire missile, ordinarily used by attack helicopters.

State Department lawyers maintained for a time that such a hybrid would fall under restrictions of the Intermediate Nuclear Forces treaty.

The Air Force and CIA argued over who would fund and operate it. Opponents scoffed at the notion of a 950-pound aircraft laboring aloft with a 100-pound missile. Richard A. Clarke, National Security Council senior director, “broke a lot of china,” as one colleague put it, in ramming the program forward. Not long after Clinton left office, the Air Force tested a working prototype.

And finally, like I was talking about yesterday, in the last few months of the Clinton administration, the USS Cole was attacked (Oct 12, 2000). Clinton put the very same Richard A. Clarke in charge of developing a comprehensive plan to battle al Qaeda. That report was completed in December of 2000 and included such recommendations as clamping down on international financing and putting special forces on the ground in Afghanistan.

The outgoing administration made it very clear to Bush’s team that al Qaeda and other international terrorist groups posed a very imminent threat to Americans both at home and abroad, and Clarke stayed on to try to convince people to adopt his plan to take on al Qaeda. That advice was ignored until the 9/11 tragedy.

This clusterfuck is the subject of an August 12, 2002 cover story in Time magazine titled, “They Had A Plan”. I read this when it first came out in print but no longer have the magazine. You can buy it from their archives here:

“They Had A Plan”

So, these are some of the reasons that I take exception when people say that Clinton was soft on terrorism. From what I’ve seen, the Clinton administration had a much more long-term view on how to combat international terrorist groups and how to do it in a framework which wouldn’t polarize a large portion of the international community against us.

Its also why I don’t trust a lot of what Sean Hannity says, or anyone else on Fox News for that matter. I find that many times these political commentators on TV and the radio will spit out something which is either taken out of context, ill-researched, or just plain wrong. Since you don’t get a lot of footnotes scrolling across the bottom of the screen — not a lot of space on Fox News with the constant “Terror Alert” rating — its far to easy to take what they say at face value and not dive any deeper.

Thoughts?

Last Minute Lobbying

Regardless of the recall race, there are two important initiatives on the ballot which I really hope don’t pass. I’m strongly urging everyone I know, no matter what their political leanings are, to vote NO on Props 53 and 54. Both of these are constitutional amendments which would restrict the way the state government operates in a couple of important areas.

Prop 53 mandates a specific percentage of the state annual budget be spent of “infrastructure” projects, but it doesn’t give any specifics as to exactly how that should be done. Simply put, it limits what the legislature can do with the budget (in a state where something like 70 to 80 percent of the budget is already mandated spending).

Prop 54 I’m really against however. It’s a push to prohibit any state agency from collecting racial data for any purpose whatsoever. They proponents say they want California to be a “color blind society”, but I feel it’s more of an attempt to promote ignorance and hide important data about the real makeup of our society. Actually, one of my friends online had a very succinct explanation of why its wrong:


Boredcast Message from ‘brain’: Tue Oct 7 08:52:06 2003

Prop 54
what do you guys think

Boredcast Message from ‘tom’: Tue Oct 7 08:52:34 2003

are you nuts?

Boredcast Message from ‘brain’: Tue Oct 7 08:54:26 2003

what, you think I’m trolling?
Jesse Jackson spoke against it
are you agreeing with him and think it’s so obvious?

Boredcast Message from ‘tom’: Tue Oct 7 08:55:04 2003

yes.

Boredcast Message from ‘brain’: Tue Oct 7 08:55:09 2003

tell me why
I want to be convinced

Boredcast Message from ‘tom’: Tue Oct 7 08:55:21 2003

information is power.

Boredcast Message from ‘tom’: Tue Oct 7 08:55:38 2003

prop 54 is about hiding racial profiling by cops, hiding all forms of
discrimination

Boredcast Message from ‘brain’: Tue Oct 7 08:56:05 2003

ok sold

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“Clinton’s Military” and Real Budget Numbers

I had an opportunity to talk politics with my dad today for a couple of hours and I really enjoyed it. Living in the Bay Area its rare to get to have a good political conversation with someone who doesn’t (mostly) agree with my usually liberal views.

So I threw out a bunch of facts and numbers and promised to get back to him with actual sources on what I said. Since I have just spent the past couple hours fact checking myself and doing some rather interesting analysis, I thought I should go ahead and post it here. This is required reading for anyone I’ve had a political discussion with lately (and you know who you are).


The attached is a great article written by Lawrence J. Korb, Assistant Secretary of Defence under Reagan. It talks about how our successes in Iraq (and Afghanistan before that) were mostly due to the advances in the military built under Clinton. I paid the $2.95 to download it from Boston Globe’s archives, but it’s well worth the read I think.

The first Bush defense budet went into effect on 10/1/2002, and none of the funds in that budget have yet to have an impact on the quality of the men and women in the armed services, their readiness for combat, or the weapons they used to obliterate Iraqi forces.

Clintons’ last secretary of defense, William Cohen, a former Republican Senator from Maine, turned over to Rumsfeld a defense budget that was higher in real terms than what James Schlesinger had bequeathed to Rumsfeld when he took over the Pentagon the first time in 1975 at the height of the Cold War.

You’ll probably find an illicit copy of the article if you search Google for Thank Clinton For A Speedy Victory In Iraq. Specifically, Boston Globe, May 13, 2003.

The former statistic is (probably) taken from page 128 of the following document:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/pdf/hist.pdf

This paper is actually not referenced directly in this article, but its one of my favorite documents when going for the real facts about budgetary numbers. This is the one I was telling you that had actual receipts and expenditures of the federal government from 1778 through 2008 (projected).

Regarding budgetary numbers, you said today that total government taxes (fed, state, and local) in this country were about 67% of the GDP. This appears out of line with the totals on page 297 of that document. Total government receipts (fed, state, and local) have remained at about 27 to 30 percent of the GDP since 1970. I’m curious where you got the 67% or so number.

I think that using percentage of GDP is an interesting number, especially when you look at government expenditures as a percentage of GDP. With regards to Clinton expanding government spending, spending as a percentage of the GDP dropped from 32.2% in 1992 to 28.0% in 2000. This number never dropped below 30% under Reagan and Bush Sr. on and has already jumped back up to 29.5% in 2002.

I think the most straightforward warning for what Bush’s economic plan is doing that appears in this document is actually the very first table (doesn’t appear until page 26). Receipts from 1992 to 2000 nearly
doubled, and we went from a $290B deficit to a $236B surplus (spending went from $1.38T to $1.79T, growing at about a third the rate of receipts). The first two years of Bush’s economic plan has taken us from a $236B surplus to a $307B deficit, with spending increasing from $1.79T to $2.14T in 2003. And like I said earlier, this $300B number is expected to really be about $500B due to lower than expected receipts and increased
military spending in Iraq. A $300B deficit was the highest we ever had, $500B is catastrophic (more than a quarter of the total national budget).

Please let me know if you have any information to contest these numbers. I like going to the actual government sites to get real numbers. It’s possible I’m mis-reading some of this stuff (after all, both of us only hold Engineering degrees from the school with the largest number of Nobel Prize winners in the world ;).

Had fun talking today, hope we get to do it again soon.

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